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Leon,

Re: Sam's

thought experiment:

Triggered anger and revenge directed toward a man who chopped off my hand is evidence of a belief in the fairness of retaliation, and therefore a belief in will.

Correctly, Sam infers that belief in willful behavior doesn't prove anything about the actual causes of the attack.

If I were a chemistry set construction, a machine, an isolated system in a skin bag, just protons grouped into atoms, atoms grouped into proteins, proteins grouped into cells, cells grouped into tissues, tissues grouped into bodily structures and organs, and organs/structures grouped into my body...

...then this might be a straight-forward situation, and Sam might be right, identifying chemistry and mechanical probabilistic causation instead of a soul's longing.

I don't have a soul in me. I am not a body. That's backwards from the way I intuit the nature of human reality.

Rather, I am a soul. For a while, I'm using a body. Most of material stuff, like brains and body and stuff, is empty space. Even a diamond, is like 99.9999% space.

I don't know anything. I infer, imagine, intuit, and make what I hope are educated reasonable guesses.

So I will listen to Dennett and Sam and other such thinkers. I continue to guess that I've got something of a realistic map of reality. Even then, I judge that all words in any language may miss the mark of perfect absolute truth and I require myself to attempt to learn better, toward the beautiful, the good, and the true.

I find your input helpful.

Thank you.

mark spark

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PS

Questions might help.

How do you know whether a study or experiment has proven anything?

What if differrnts studies conclude very different things?

How do you sort that out?

What forms of dialectic dialogue have you considered?

Instead of debate form, perhaps a parallel set of paths as in "6 thinking hats" a la Edward de Bono?

Would it be useful to compare and contrast the implications of "free will" vs "agency"?

Have you considered the philosophy and or psychology of Iain McGilchrist's work.

See

https://youtu.be/hgAdBjXCj5I?si=TTwuRU6OBT2vyz9I

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